Friday, October 17, 2008

Birth Order and Personalilty Traits

In my quest for understanding, I have begun to read a bit about birth order and personality traits. I have read very little about this personally, but I have had extensive conversations with friends who have completed their MA degrees in Counseling/Psychology and who are working on their Marriage and Family Therapy Licenses (and let me tell you, they are none too shy to talk about subject such as this). This is NO WAY makes be an expert, or even a credible resource for that matter. But, when I observe people's communication behaviors, I search for meaning - a deeper meaning than writing off one's personality as, "Oh, that's just so and so's personality". I truly believe that we act as we are trained. Or, in short, our behaviors are directly linked to our past experiences.

For example, my extreme fear of loss is a direct result of my father's suicide. I have just recently figured out, within the last week or so, that I am terrified of loss. This is not just death, but any kind of loss (loss of friendship, loss of a loved one, and even people close to me moving away). About a year before my dad's suicide my grandmother passed away and went to be with Jesus. I wasn't bothered by that too much, which know sounds terrible. I miss her terribly, and wish everyday that we can have one last conversation. But, it was only after my dad's death that I become fearful of loss because of the extreme emotions I felt immediately following his death. But let's not delve too deeply into my psyche at this point.

Getting back to my point.....I have been observing conversational patterns in people, or the semantics of conversations if you will, for a couple of years, especially with my students. Why do some people have a tendency to talk about certain subjects repetitively (namely themselves or thier experiences or how much they have accomplished...nor not for that matter)? It seems that some people are chameleons and can converse about anything. And then there are other people who repetitively talk about things, perhaps about themselves, and who are seemingly uncomfortable talking about other things. But, the nature of conversations is interesting. For those that can converse about seemingly anything, they almost never steer the conversation back to them. But those that feel a bit uncomfortable talking about extraneous things, the conversation comes back to a conversation about them, their lives, and only what they are familiar with in their world. But my question is why? Why do some have a tendency to take on pattern A, while others take on pattern B? (I'm know that there are more patterns of conversations, but these are the two I am focusing on right now).

My idea, and that's simply what it is, an idea at this point, is that there are patterns set up from past experiences. And, these experiences have to do with how someone was raised. Therefore, birth order may have something to do with it. Adler's theories can explain some of this, in a parallel way almost to conversational patterns. But Thurstone came up with the idea of the Big Five personality traits which seem a bit more comprehensive. I know, I know, there are many more ideas and explinations for how people behave, which can contain a deeper explination of 'conversational styles' - or behavoirs for that matter. My friends are constantly talking about personality types, enneagrams, and many other theories for that matter than can explain behviors and patterns of conversation for that matter. After all, when a person talks, what spills out is who they are esentially. (Of course this is my limited connection between communication and psychology). For those of you that are out there, who have MUCH more knowledge about this than I, what do you think?

3 comments:

Melanie: said...

I believe that there are many reasons why someone has the personality that they do. And I think that many of the therapists with their theories take into account only a few aspects of the person rather than a whole person approach.

As as side note I just took the Myers Briggs Personality test...I'm ESTP.

I could write way more, but alas, I'm at work. :( boo.

Unknown said...

According to, "spiritual transformation through the enneagram" our personality type is more like an ego structure that we built, formed, adapted as children in order to get what we needed from those closest to us. There's a lot of good things about having this ego structure It got us what we needed and wanted as kids, but of course there are areas of growth as well! Another good book that explains a lot about personality types using the Briggs-Myers typing system is called, "survivor games personalities play", I think this one might explain some of the coping mechanisms you talked about in your blog. PS I'm a 9 on the enneagram (no suprise there!) and an INFP on the Myers-Briggs (which is also called the idealist. The typing sytem in the last book i mentioned is as follows:
NF- idealist
NT- rational
SP- artisan
SJ-guardian
pretty interesting stuff check it out!

Annie said...

Well, I'm by NO MEANS an expert either. (So maybe I'm not who you're asking here. ;) ) I think some of who we are is formed by past experiences. But certainly not all. If it were all, one could hypothesize that a mass of humanity could be born in a vacuum where every input is the exact same ... would they all be the same? I don't think it takes much to conclude that they wouldn't. Humanity is much too diverse for that. (Which, by the way, I don't think you're exactly saying that; you just focused on that side ... but I'm balancing that thought out.) I prefer to look at humanity through the eyes of God. Or the other way around. Or both. I hold each personality up to the likeness of God and see what I can see of God in and through that personality type. Anything that reflects God - God made! Anything that contradicts God - man made. Not that I presume to have the exhaustive view on these things. Oh my goodness no. But that is how I analyze. I LOVE personality tests of every sort. It gives me such a better handle on people I know and meet. People who are innately gifted don't like these things so much, but I'm not so ... I do! Lately I've been thinking a lot about The Five Love Languages. (Gary Chapman) How does God communicate in these ways with us? It's all fascinating to me. As to why certain people talk about everyone else and others talk about themselves ... I don't know. I would postulate a few ideas. Perhaps there is a security vs. insecurity issue. Perhaps some people are naturally inquisitive about everyone else, and others are naturally inquisitive about themselves. Perhaps they both reflect God (in that God is interested in other people first and foremost, but also is constantly talking about Himself so that we know Him). Those are the prominent theories in my head. Perhaps all are present. Perhaps none and it's something else entirely. Perhaps it's a combination of a few things.

Your enneagram is interesting ... but puzzling. I've never seen it, so I don't know what it means. Something to do with leadership. I'm an INTP, so it's very easy to identify me. I'm one of the only ones not assigned to two numbers. My husband ... could be several. The only thing that he is for sure is an NF. He's a borderline I/E (probably closer to I, but only just) and a borderline P/J (and here I can see equally strong arguments for him being one as the other. He's always early and has a constant to do list but almost never plans, and can do anything on the fly. Hmmm.) As far as the titles ... he fits the 'Loyalist' and the 'Romantic' best. Or Protector, except he's definitely not one of those personalities. Hmmmm. K, that's my 3 cents!

haha. the word verification is 'scones.' They're not usually real words.